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Georgio's avatar

Also AMA in the comments, to workshop future posts. It's a huge topic, a post-mortem of a 16 year long, Merkel-like hegemony.

MKUltrapangolin's avatar

My relatives in Veszprem area are still withholding judgement. My cousins don't trust Tisza or Peter Magyar. I understand where they are coming from.

Georgio's avatar

That's the wise position.

Alan Jurek's avatar

Good to have you back and I totally agree with your assessment!

Georgio's avatar

Thanks, but I have to emphasize that we are very early into Peter's reign, and the inner politics of his party are extremely turbulent at the moment. But this is what makes it so fun for me to cover.

Borg's avatar
Apr 20Edited

[EDITED to remove colorful language; I really appreciate George sharing his first-hand insights, and I will present my queries in less colorful ways]

What's the deal with Tisza - the freshly-baked 140 MPs? It's their votes that matter in the end, not Peter's one vote.

There's persistent rumors that many are leftists. And I DON'T mean the "Better lives for our workers!" kind of leftists.

Peter seems to be going out of his way to act uncouth, brash and petulant - if it's even an act.

Voters seem so fed up with Orban that Peter frontmanning Tisza with this behaviour, has apparently won Tisza its landslide.

Fine. But, but. Are those 140 MPs *actually* loyal to Peter? How much is clear about those people?

Apart from the fact that it's 100 MP votes that decide where Hungary goes, and NOT Peter?

There honestly *has* to be a reason why Soros, Leyen, Obama, Hillary and the whole gang are so damn jubilant about Tisza winning. Peter cannot possibly be it. Not even the fact that he shifts Hungarian politics towards Ukraine, can explain the reaction of the globalist gang. Do they count on being able to dribble him like an immature fool - which they had no chance of doing with Orban? Or is it about those 140 "suddenly-MPs" not really being controlled by Peter, who doesn't give the impression of being a people-organizer anyway?

And really, what's his deal with attacking a deeply RW college? (Mathias Corvinus)

Does Budapest have such a surplus of influential RW colleges, that attacking one has to be the first course of action here?

If I was Soros, it's the first thing I'd steer him to do.

(and no, I don't even mean to imply that he "reports" to Soros, not at all, but something possibly even worse - that he is easy to steer into a particular direction by suave-enough players)

(and this is BEFORE we even get into the question of the 140 other MPs)

Georgio's avatar

Things on the ground are way less hysterical than in media.

I know it's not MCC, but the same universe: paying Rod Dreher $100K+ to holiday in Budapest is not popular with people. This universe turned out to be a net loss.

MCC is viewed as a boutique party project, and the party that funded it so lavishly had lost.

Update: my answer merits a post, working on it.

Borg's avatar

Thanks for making the MCC post. So they really are inconsequential in their output and effect, other than being a Fidesz-specific club. I mean, fine, but IS there any other actually RW colleges of note in Budapest? In the west they're almost inexistent...

Rod Dreher is in my opinion _not_ inconsequential himself. He's doing some quite far-reaching and solid work. But I can see how a public Hungarian college funding a foreign scribe is out-of-place. (meanwhile also, $100k is pocket change compared to what the Ivy League woke scribes collect for their gigs - not saying this to imply Hungary *should* pay that to Dreher, just that it isn't unusual at all in US, the only unusual thing is that it goes to a right-winger)

Anyway... if you'll ever have more insights on the internal dynamics of Tisza - how many are likely to truly do what Peter wants, and how many will act on some other "impulses" - that'd be great to hear.

Georgio's avatar

We'll know more by the 20th of August. MCC is not dead yet, and unlikely to be (knock on wood).

Dreher deserves the scorn he gets. I'd take his burden for 100 large per year.

Where does it say in the Bible that cushy jobs, nice apartments, infinite wine and oyster trips to Paris come for free?

My hands aren't red typing this. Some self-reflecting austerity might be in order for the ivory tower dwellers of Budapest. The local elections by their patrons were lost, after all.

A diet of fish sticks, maybe?

Georgio's avatar

You've inspired another post

:yulia:'s avatar

In my circle we call him the Magyar Zelensky. A narcissistic psychopath. A conman flip flopping between lies and insults.

Suffice to look at his professional (and personal) track record, none of which is good, to anticipate his politics. 9 years in BXL, hardly ever showed up, just like in all his positions in Hungary.

He is total no name; no professional achievement whatsoever, in politics OR otherwise.

But because of (or thanks to) his personality traits, he’s easily corruptible, and thus the perfect candidate for the globalist psychopaths or if you want a PC term the central planners.

There is a good article in the Grayzone about the (s)election. You might want to look it up. If you don’t find it, I’ll post it later.

The interview with his ex wife, Varga Judit, a couple years ago, is also worth of attention as it shows you his personality traits/disturbances.

:yulia:'s avatar

Oh you edited this comment and I haven’t been notified by the SS… hm.

“Hungarian sources are often wrong about Hungarian politics. Foreign sources are always wrong.” I don’t disagree! Although having followed Max Blumenthal since well before he started grayzone, I know how meticulous and matter of fact his and his team’s work is. So, I have no doubt about his piece as of now.

But, I have no allegiance to any news outlets, and if I feel manipulated or lied to I move on.

I honestly don’t know about Orbán’s beatings but I know about him checking in to , szanatoriums. However, as a highly discerning individual, I say that Magyar is a whole different category! Time will tell, and I pray to be wrong.

Georgio's avatar

I'm well aware of the lore, but as a veteran of the first Trump campaign, I reserve my judgement. (This is also my general advice.)

Orban used to beat his wife to the point that she had to be hospitalized. He would also check into an Austrian private insane asylum, regularly. A taxi driver told me in Budapest.

Hungarian sources are often wrong about Hungarian politics. Foreign sources are always wrong. I will post what I do know for certain in the coming weeks.

I promise to be 100% honest and 0% hysterical.